The next is a transcript of an interview with Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat and member of the Home Choose Committee investigating Jan. 6, that aired Sunday, June 19, 2022, on “Face the Nation.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: We now wish to go to Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren of California. She is in San Jose. Good morning to you. You are one of many investigators on this Choose Committee, and I feel one of the crucial highly effective moments was when the retired conservative choose Decide Luttig mentioned that he sees a transparent and current hazard right now. He mentioned there could possibly be additional makes an attempt to subvert American democracy in 2024. What precisely is the menace you see?
REPRESENTATIVE ZOE LOFGREN: Nicely, I feel Decide Luttig mentioned it very nicely. And by the best way, he’s a really conservative man as soon as thought of by Republicans for the Supreme Courtroom. I feel his concern and I share it’s that the previous president is constant on his marketing campaign to undercut confidence within the election system. They’re putting in a loyalist who say that the election was stolen and states have been going to rely the votes. They clearly tried to get the Vice President to throw the precise votes out and change electors with the dropping candidate. And it appears to be like like that is within the works for the following election as nicely. It is an ideal concern.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So to be clear, there are about 100 Republican candidates for workplace proper now who’re repeating that they’re election deniers they’re repeating a few of what President Trump nonetheless claims. At the least 5 of them have gained their primaries. Have you ever discovered any direct hyperlinks between any of these candidates and the grift that you’ve been monitoring?
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Nicely, we will launch extra info. I’ve bought the workers engaged on it proper now. Clearly the hearings are a few hours every and you’ll’t lay out all the knowledge that is been compiled. So I do know there’s been substantial curiosity in the- the massive rip off and we’ll present extra info to the general public quickly.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are saying establishing direct hyperlinks between these people standing for election to workplace now and the scheme you are laying out?
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Not essentially. We are going to lay out what now we have.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-Hmm.
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: And other people can have a look at it. I do not wish to simply pop off irresponsibly right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your colleagues on the committee, Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger mentioned on one other community this morning that he simply acquired a dying menace towards him, his spouse, and his five-month–
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –old youngster for the work he is doing.
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He mentioned there may be violence sooner or later. Do you agree that you’ve a worry of political violence and have you ever acquired threats?
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Nicely, I do not wish to go into the threads I’ve acquired. I feel it simply encourages extra of them. However it’s very regarding that Adam and his spouse and his little child have been threatened. I noticed the menace. It was a written menace. We noticed that Republican Congressman, a really conservative consultant, Crenshaw was roughed up over the weekend at a Republican assembly, as a result of he was not conservative sufficient and I feel that is what the previous president has unleashed right here. You recognize, when he despatched out the tweet, attacking his vice chairman, he already knew that the violence was underway. The one conclusion you can–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-Hmm.
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: –reach is that he supposed to- to speed up that violence towards the previous vice chairman. So, we’re in a really tough time in America proper now. And all of us of us elected officers, but additionally simply Individuals and their neighbors want to face up for the rule of regulation. And towards political violence. It isn’t what America is about.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-Hmm. Nicely, for the busy American individuals who could not have been watching the hearings as intently as we have been, precisely what’s the endgame right here? Are you laying out a roadmap for the Division of Justice to in the end attempt to prosecute the previous president?
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: We’re doing what we have been requested to do when the committee was shaped, which is to seek out the reality, lay it out, and we may even be making legislative suggestions. For instance, the Electoral Depend Act was violated, Dr. Eastman admitted as a lot, however we predict we are able to tighten that up so it’s much less inclined to abuse. We’re working at, particularly Liz Cheney and I, are engaged on that. The Division of Justice has to make its personal determination. We’re laying out details, they will see it, however I am certain they’ve entry to different info as a result of they have grand juries assembly with numerous defendants. We’re going to be useful to them by way of particular info that they want from the- our personal investigations, however they got- it isn’t the position of Congress to determine who will get prosecuted.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, various your committee members your fellow committee members have criticized Legal professional Normal Garland for not shifting quicker. So, they do wish to see some type of motion right here. And there was this letter–
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Nicely that was for–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –from the Justice Division asking for transcripts and saying that your committee’s failure to right away hand them over was complicating their investigation. Precisely what’s going on right here?
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Nicely, that was form of- we have been shocked by that, frankly. And we’ll have interaction. We’re not going to be an impediment to the Division of Justice prosecution of people. We’re in the midst of placing these hearings collectively. The workers is working, I imply, extremely arduous together with the members of Congress the place we’ll get, , explicit info that they want over to them in an orderly method. Actually, by- by the start of subsequent month.
MARGARET BRENNAN: By the start of subsequent month. Within the subsequent week, you’ve got various Republican officers from state native governments coming together with Arizona Home Speaker Rusty Bowers, who mentioned he had been pressured by the President, the previous president’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani and by the previous president himself to retroactively change Arizona regulation to decide on a distinct slate of presidential electors. He additionally has mentioned he acquired emails from Ginni Thomas to reverse Trump’s loss and he or she is the spouse after all of sitting Supreme Courtroom Justice Clarence Thomas, will you ask Bowers about that hyperlink to Thomas?
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Nicely, I am not going to step on the committee’s strains for the listening to. However clearly, as , we have invited Ginni Thomas to come back in and go to with the committee, reply our questions, and we have really acquired extra info after we bought proof from the Eastman emails which have now been ordered launched by Decide Carter in California. And so now we have questions for her and we could have questions for him as nicely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Will Ginni Thomas seem or do it’s essential to subpoena her? Will her husband seem?
CZECH REP. LOFGREN: Nicely, we have requested her to indicate up. She- it was a non-public letter, she determined to reveal it, which is her proper to do. And she or he mentioned publicly that she appears to be like ahead to coming in and speaking to us. So I take her at her phrase that she intends to come back in and we stay up for speaking to her.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Congresswoman Lofgren, thanks to your time, and we’ll be watching. Face the Nation might be again in a minute. Stick with us.